Nickel Creek downloads? [Archive]

RyanAdamsFan

06-28-2003, 11:01 AM

Why?

Why can't we download the lives stuff. I understand not wanting to put it on KaZaa or somethign like that, but why can't I download it from someone on our own personal FTP server or something like that?

It's the same exact thign as sending a CD through the mail, but cheaper. This way it doesn't cost me a dime and saves everyone money.

If someone can explain the logic behind allowing trading, but not allowing trading through the internet...it seems to be totally illogical.

Thanks,

adam

asillittle

06-28-2003, 01:00 PM

The recording policy depends on the artist, and we should all respect what the artist wants to do with their music.

NCFreak

06-28-2003, 01:35 PM

Originally posted by RyanAdamsFan
Why can't we download the lives stuff. I understand not wanting to put it on KaZaa or somethign like that, but why can't I download it from someone on our own personal FTP server or something like that?

It's the same exact thign as sending a CD through the mail, but cheaper. This way it doesn't cost me a dime and saves everyone money.
It's a matter of availability. Basically, one-to-one trading is more difficult, and therefore keeps #'s down a bit. The fact that a download is easier and more accessable to more people is the very reason it's not allowed.

RyanAdamsFan

06-28-2003, 02:04 PM

That doesn't really work as a logical explanation for me. What does it matter if there are 10 million copies of a particular show in circulation. Assuming that no one profited from the shows, why does it matter how it's done.

Someone could just as easily sell a show that has 10 copies in cirulation than 10 million.

Am I incorrect, or am I missing something? I am a huge fan of NC, I just think it sucks that I can't get access to their live shows without spending $5-$10 for postage, CD's and the such. That really sucks and it doesn't make sense to me.

Goose_17

06-28-2003, 02:45 PM

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sap2257

06-28-2003, 02:57 PM

oh my goodness Goose...you never cease to amaze me with your posts. what goes on in that head of yours?! ;)
-Sarah

Benno

06-28-2003, 03:55 PM

man, its not that much money. i send a bubble mailer with up to 4 cds in 2 sleeves for $1.06. its really not that much. if you really liked nickel creek, couldnt you spare a friggin' dollar?

NCFreak

06-28-2003, 04:34 PM

Originally posted by RyanAdamsFan
Someone could just as easily sell a show that has 10 copies in cirulation than 10 million.
That's the point!! They don't WANT 10 million copies floating around. So, they do what they can to curtail things, while at the same time being totally awesome to us fans by allowing us to do it at all, even if it is on a limited basis.

RyanAdamsFan

06-28-2003, 05:04 PM

First of all Benno...Don't question other peoples devotion to a musical group it accomplishes nothing, except getting on their nerves. I am sure you are the all time Nickel Creek fan, which is cool.

As to everyone else...I appreciate the conversation, everyone made very valid points and I do understand where you are coming from. My only point is that most bands now allow audio taping of their shows and the trading of them. I just don't see why it matters if I get their show convieniently or inconvieniently...that's really the only difference. And yes, Online is WAY more convienient. As long as no one profits from the bootlegs...then what does it matter to them if 1 billion people have it?!?

That's my only question...It just seems odd to allow taping, but then to limit the ability for people to enjoy their music.

Thanks everyone!
adam

mandofocus

06-28-2003, 05:05 PM

That and if there were 10 million copies of a show in circulation, people would feel special because they have a show that no one else does.
Also the band wouldn't be making any money off of these cds, so it would in no way benefit them. That's why some artists don't allow taping of shows. What if Nickel Creek came out with a live show cd? No body would want to buy it becasue they have already bought other live show cds that have those songs on them.

NCFreak

06-28-2003, 06:14 PM

Originally posted by RyanAdamsFan
I am sure you are the all time Nickel Creek fan, which is cool.
[lolol] HAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!

UpInYourHeart

06-28-2003, 09:21 PM

Originally posted by RyanAdamsFan
My only point is that most bands now allow audio taping of their shows and the trading of them. I just don't see why it matters if I get their show convieniently or inconvieniently...that's really the only difference. And yes, Online is WAY more convienient. As long as no one profits from the bootlegs...then what does it matter to them if 1 billion people have it?!?

That's my only question...It just seems odd to allow taping, but then to limit the ability for people to enjoy their music.

Thanks everyone!
adam

Well this is why Nickel Creek ISN'T like most bands now days. They want the trading/b&p's to be one on one...atleast that's what I've been getting the impression from in the posts by Matt & Chip. I mean, even MASS trades & b&ps aren't allowed. Why? Maybe because it's so impersonal...I don't know. But really, Nickel Creek isn't like everyone else in other ways, musically, relationship with their fans (i.e. meeting them), and things like that. Why would you expect a band that seems to thrive off of having a closer connection with their fans to want their fans to just have an easier way to get shows. And besides, not everyone DOES have the ability to download shows, while on the other hand the USPS is almost everywhere.;)

cnmberryman

06-29-2003, 01:04 PM

Originally posted by UpInYourHeart

Well this is why Nickel Creek ISN'T like most bands now days. They want the trading/b&p's to be one on one...atleast that's what I've been getting the impression from in the posts by Matt & Chip. I mean, even MASS trades & b&ps aren't allowed. Why? Maybe because it's so impersonal...I don't know. But really, Nickel Creek isn't like everyone else in other ways, musically, relationship with their fans (i.e. meeting them), and things like that. Why would you expect a band that seems to thrive off of having a closer connection with their fans to want their fans to just have an easier way to get shows. And besides, not everyone DOES have the ability to download shows, while on the other hand the USPS is almost everywhere.;)

I am 99% sure that Nickel Creek (Sara, Sean, and Chris) are not the ones imposing these limitations upon the fans. The are most likely coming from Sugar Hill which seems rather old-fashioned and reactionary in its dealings. The misconception is that widespread trading will hurt sales when this has been proved incorrect. I heard about Nickel Creek through trading before this policy and I am sure a bunch of other fans did too. Dave Matthews, Phish and many other bands that are really big today are only so due to taping and trading.

This being said I respect the management decision and do not trade NC stuff online. I do tape a lot of NC and wish and hope one day to be able to add this stuff to archive.org or something similiar.

just my $.02

peace, chris

p.s. - I gotta great tape of the Telluride XM session, I'll probably post a few freebies once I get it burned to CD.

matt the fiddler

06-29-2003, 10:59 PM

ok.. i was out of town for the weekend.. and dind't have the internet access i was suposted to have.. many apologizes for not being here..

to answer the question [as both chip and i have many discussions with both the band and their managment during the forming of the current recording policy] we are quite familiar with both the intent and spirit of the policy, as well as how it translates into the written rule of it.

them saying no something is not allowed should be respected.. and as a lot of work was done to get this much freedom in the recording policy, so fans could have a chance to listen, it is important not to be too demanding... [kinda like if i invitied goose into my house for dinner and said please dont' go upstairs, yet he stands at the edge of the stairs... it may be because there is a mess up there.. or it may be because some dangerous moster would kill him [evil eye] you just don't know ] yet standing ont he edge constantly would put him in teh direction of overstaying his welcome..

it is as simple that they don't feel comfy wiht any digital or online trading of their music, for many reasons.. one being it is a highly impersonal means of transfer, another being that it is easier for stuff online to spread like wildfire. and that is what they don't want.... there are others, but those are the main ones...

matt

Goose_17

06-30-2003, 12:16 AM

so does this mean i can't go upstairs and see trogdor? I WANNA STOMP THE PEASENTEES! and thx for dinner..!!

matt the fiddler

06-30-2003, 12:33 AM

hate to break it to you goose... you are the pesant he is waiting to burninate

OrnotMajestic

06-30-2003, 12:49 AM

Originally posted by matt the fiddler
hate to break it to you goose... you are the pesant he is waiting to burninate

OH NO!! And my parents live in the countryside!!!;)

pltees

06-30-2003, 12:27 PM

I think the most important thing to keep in mind here is the unbelievably gracious nature of NC to even let us tape and trade their shows at all.

Not coming down on you RyanAdamsFan (as this really applies to anyone who doesnt like the trading policy), because like the rest of us you are entitled to your opinion, but just because trading shows one-on-one through snail mail is inconvenient for you, doesnt mean it is inconvenient for the rest of us. If you dont like the policy, you dont have to participate, its your choice. Thats the great thing about this country, we all have a choice. I think if you gave one-on-one trading a chance you would find it very satisfying, and would meet some great NC fans.

I think one of the reasons NC has it this way is so NC fans from all over the country, even the world, can meet each other, where we wouldnt have otherwise. I have meet some great people through trading/b&p (even some from England) and I think its great. Yeah, you have to wait a little longer (as opposed to downloading off the net or ftp) but it makes the shows you get that much better because of the waiting and the anticipation [noise] , at least for me anyway.

Well, to copy cnmberryman, thats just my 2 cents worth.

Again, none of this would be possible without the graciousness of that wonderful trio Nickel Creek! We have them to thank for all of this!!! :)

obsessedwithNC

07-23-2003, 08:56 AM

Originally posted by OrnotMajestic

OH NO!! And my parents live in the countryside!!!;)

lol.. did you just build yourself a new classroom cottage??!:D

cnmberryman

07-24-2003, 02:14 PM

On a related aside, Sean Watkins last night (July 24th 2003), at Largo, Los Angeles, immediatly following a Watkins Family Hour show, was presented with information about archive.org, and was asked if permission could be granted for hosting of Watkins Family Hour shows at the archive. He responed with permission and indicated that he would love to recieve copies of any shows taped. I will post this as a seperate thread once Diana Hamilton at archive.org recieves and processes all the information. I will be uploadling all of the Watkins Family Hour shows to date.

peace, chris

cnmberryman

07-24-2003, 02:24 PM

teyes

07-24-2003, 05:14 PM

Originally posted by cnmberryman
On a related aside, Sean Watkins last night (July 24th 2003), at Largo, Los Angeles, immediatly following a Watkins Family Hour show, was presented with information about archive.org, and was asked if permission could be granted for hosting of Watkins Family Hour shows at the archive. He responed with permission and indicated that he would love to recieve copies of any shows taped. I will post this as a seperate thread once Diana Hamilton at archive.org recieves and processes all the information. I will be uploadling all of the Watkins Family Hour shows to date.

peace, chris

Awesome!!

I wish I had the connection for this, but this is a great step. Thanks Chris!!

--- steph [noise]

pencefan

08-25-2003, 11:30 PM

Well I think that it's great that NC lets fans tape their shows but...... What if there are hard core fans that don't feel comfortable giving out their address to people they've never met. I will say that through this site I have been able to chat with some really cool people who I think it would be okay to b&p or trade with but for anyone who doesn't chat with others for any reason, whatever it may be, are at a dissadvantage. There I've put in my 2 cents.

matt the fiddler

08-26-2003, 02:08 AM

there are a few options.. yes that is somewhat of a concern.. but there are ways around it...

#1 get a p.o. box

#2 mail to a friends house

#3 get on a trade circle where the traders are rated.. if some one has 50+ positive ratings and no negatives chances are you can probably trust them.. this is really the best and most effective way...

#4 arrange hand to hand trades at concerts..

etc..

again 99.999 % of people you trade with probably will loose your address in a a mater of days.. but always be careful

cmgork

09-12-2003, 03:59 AM

Sorry if somebody already responded as many people have about this topic.

Originally posted by mandofocus
Also the band wouldn't be making any money off of these cds, so it would in no way benefit them.

***** The benefit would not come in immediate monetary returns, correct. It would benefit similar to Direct Response Marketing because if the band is good, hearing them live should inspire people to buy thier albums. This will also create a bond with thier customer (otherwise you the listener) Why do you think Dave Matthews Band, Phish, Grateful Dead, String Cheese Incident, and Widespread Panic (I could go on with less known jam bands/artists) have been so successful, not because of radio play.

Originally posted by mandofocus
What if Nickel Creek came out with a live show cd? No body would want to buy it becasue they have already bought other live show cds that have those songs on them.

******* Somebody should tell Phish, Dave Matthews Band, Pearl Jam that nobody will want to buy thier cd's if they continue to allow trading of their live concerts.

cmgork

09-12-2003, 04:13 AM

Originally posted by pltees
I think if you gave one-on-one trading a chance you would find it very satisfying, and would meet some great NC fans.

I have been trading for a couple years and have participated in both one to one and digital trading. Let me tell you all digital trading is just as rewarding. And, I have met some great people through digital trading. It's all what you make of it and I amking alot more money now that I don't spend it on postage for trading. This simple answers is Nickle Creek is available online you just have to know where to look.

cmgork

09-12-2003, 04:25 AM

Originally posted by
it is as simple that they don't feel comfy wiht any digital or online trading of their music, for many reasons.. one being it is a highly impersonal means of transfer, another being that it is easier for stuff online to spread like wildfire. and that is what they don't want.... there are others, but those are the main ones...

************* I respect thier wishes and in my opinion I disagree with the management and band. As mentioned above spreading like wildfire can be nothing but good. I seem to remember a band about 10 years that encouraged their lives shows be traded. it spread like wildfire and now they (ok the roadcrew posts because the band is too busy jammin) post a live setlist for every scheduled show and encourage the community to get copies as quickly as possible. Oh yeah and thier tour revenue last year was over $44 million and guesses on the band?

teyes

09-12-2003, 12:28 PM

Hi, DMB fan. Welcome.

So... what you're saying is... you've picked up some Creek recordings over the internet and would like to justify them now? ;)

Originally posted by cmgork
I respect thier wishes and in my opinion I disagree with the management and band.

Rockin'. Free speech can be awesome at times... and I think this quote gets right to the heart of it. Please respect their wishes, whether you feel they are misguided or not. As Chris (Berryman) stated, Sean Watkins was open to allowing the Watkins Family Hour shows to be downloaded (there are two up at the Archive right now, check em out sometime) when approached, which is a good sign - or at least that first step - to loosening the policy.

But as it stands, disagreement followed by defiance is simply a matter of greed, the keenly American I-want-it-now-so-I'll-take-it. Nickel Creek has garnered quite a following simply by word of mouth, especially from collegians, attracting an extremely diverse crowd who appreciate them for their uniqueness. They seem to like it that way. So does their management.

Please also remember that tapers and traders make up a very, very small percentage of their fanbase - this is true of many other bands with an open policy as well. It would be a travesty to let the few ruin it for the eventual enjoyment of all.

By the way, I seem to remember that same band you referenced also discouraging online trading recently, in favor of increased fan interaction...

--- steph [noise]

cmgork

09-12-2003, 12:42 PM

Originally posted by teyes
Hi, DMB fan. Welcome.

So... what you're saying is... you've picked up some Creek recordings over the internet and would like to justify them now? ;)

Not to sound harsh -- I don't need to justify what I download or don't. Unfortunately I didn't download the shows when they were up. Now I am kicking myself.