my MAS tirade

[sweetafton23]

Okay, I love Nickel Creek and I think Glen Phillips is great and all, but I've heard four different song clips from the new album and CONFLABBIT -- IS GLEN ACTUALLY GOING TO SING LEAD FOR EVERY SINGLE ONE?!! His voice is nice and all; it's very natural and untrained and I like it a lot... that is unless I'm EXPECTING some NICKEL CREEK!!!! Glen's voice is fine, but I'd much prefer Sean or Sara or Chris or maybe even Mark once in a while!!! Somebody PUH-LEASE tell me it's not going to be a little Glen-fest for the whole album!!!!!!!

[wilwaren]

Originally posted by sweetafton23
PUH-LEASE tell me it's not going to be a little Glen-fest for the whole album!!!!!!!

I agree completely!!! [sosad] They should have an even mix, I really hope Nickel Creek isn't just background for this album.[sob] [eeek!!!!]

[Jimmie]

Originally posted by sweetafton23
Okay, I love Nickel Creek and I think Glen Phillips is great and all, but I've heard four different song clips from the new album and CONFLABBIT -- IS GLEN ACTUALLY GOING TO SING LEAD FOR [B]EVERY SINGLE ONE?!! This is basically a Glen Phillips album with NC as the backing band. From the Sugar Hill website: Rehearsed, recorded, and mixed in just six days with producer Ethan Johns, the album features songs written and sung by Phillips, with accompaniment and other vocals from the Grammy-winning band.

[wilwaren]

[shock]
[sosad]
[sob]

[matt the fiddler]

remember this is the way they chose to do it... each artist is some way submitting to the other.. for mutual admiration... i do know creek sings background vocals. remember - creek did start their reputation on having amazing instrumentals.. so this isn't really them backing up Glen the whole time.. as a part of each artist that really shines coming through... if you want more nickel creek vocals, they have a new cd in the works.. soooooooooooooo yea.. i hope you guys can still enjoy the beauty and rarity of this project, even though it is not what you were wanting / expected... like i always say each tiem the creek does something unexpected/ nto exactly what the fan base thinks it wants.... give it some time to let it grow, and if not- there are 15 other projects by them you can listen to...

I for one, especially as a toad fan, am very excited to see this project nearing it's long journy, coming very close to dying on the shelf of archive recordings.

[UpInYourHeart]

I have to say, while I love NC vocals, this CD was done what 3 years ago? You cannot deny they've grown so much vocally over that time that, considering it's a new release (in terms of finally being out to the public) it would be a little odd to hear lead vocals with such a drastic change to their abilities...I have no idea if that makes sense...

But I also have to say, Glen's vocals with NC accompanying it - musically and background vocals really has this powerful effect. Like if you listened to Comes A Time when they had the full streaming, it's kind of chilling, especially at the Sweet surrender, o my lord - yeah...that's good stuff. I can't wait to get that CD and test it out on different stereo systems because I'm weird like that.

[tbphotos33]

My gosh folks! This CD was done in 2000.. At that rime NC wanted to hear GP sing! Glen admited to not knowing how to play their songs and they opted to do his stuff.

Take the CD for what is is, a slice out of time and enjoy it!

and remember, Glen goes with Nickel Creek like chocolate goes with peanut butter! It's all good!

I have heard rumors (and if you read between the lines on a few interviews) that there could be another cd in the early planning stages.. You all could still get your wish in the future.

Todd

[wilwaren]

well SweetAfton23, so far 3 people think your mad... I agree with you... does that mean i'm mad too??[think]

[sweetafton23]

:D Hey, there's no shame in being completely insane.
[party]

[wilwaren]

there's no shame in being completely insane


exactly!! might as well enjoy it!!!

now for a bunch of random smilies!!
:cool: [bigeyes] [splat] [party] [lloll] [hello] [wowOwow] [lolol]

ok, i'm done now :D

[mandolinquent]

I guess I'll throw in my unsolicited opinion now for no apparent reason. I was going to buy the CD because I am a fan of Nickel Creek. However, now knowing that there will be no vocals by them, I probably will not buy it. I know that may not be the popular opinion around here, but I dont even know who Glen Phillips is. Therefore, I would buying the CD for Nickel Creek and there would be no NC on it. Its kinda like when some people got the Dixie Chicks CD to hear Chris and there wasnt very much Chris on it. I think I'll just wait to hear the reviews from all of you guys and see what you say about the MAS CD.

[NCLuver333]

Okay, I just have to add my two cents...
Do you understand that it took them three years to get this album out, and that it's the first one? You should be grateful that they are even coming out with a MAS album, considering what busy lives the four of them have, between touring and recording their own albums, and all that you can think about is not having enough NC on it? I think it's gonna sound great; NC is collaborating with a great musician and I'm excited to hear the rest of the album, even if it is mostly Glen. And if it is mostly Glen, then I can broaden my musical horizons, look into different and new artists. That's the way that you should look at it. I used to be narrow-minded, and listened to only NC for a while...then I started listening to the two ends of the spectrum, from true bluegrass Doc Watson, to almost pop John Mayer. It will make you a better listener to explore.

Sorry, I just realized that I wrote a whole lot more than my two cents...:rolleyes:

[wilwaren]

I agree that people should have broad musical horizons and not listen to just one artest/band, for instance, are any of you into Riverdance??? It's SOOOO awesome.[noise]

But personally *cringes* i'm *wispers* not that much into Glen Phillips... *ducks to avoid people hurling tomatoes at self*
Sorry, just my own opinion. I respect Nickel Creek and all ya'll for liking him and that's great, but please don't blame me for wanting more NC on the album, that's my preference.

Ok, i'm done and slimy from all the tomato juce....

[OkieLovinNC]

I don't see why some of you are so upset that Glen will be singing on the album. Nickel Creek sings background vocals AND they play their instruments. If anything, they do more than Glen. Just because Glen sings more on the album, that doesn't mean there's not much Creek. For those who were planning on buying the album until you found this out, I beg of you to reconsider; this album will be awesome from what I've heard so far. Like NCLuver333 said, maybe if you haven't heard of Glen Phillips or whatever, this might broaden your musical horizons. Glen is an amazing musician, singer, and songwriter.

Basically, this is still an album by Nickel Creek, even if there isn't much vocals from them. They still play, and they still kick butt. ;)

[wilwaren]

oh no, don't get me wrong, I'm still buying the cd, I love the songs that are on it:) I'm just not big on Glen's voice and I was hoping it would be more of an equal mix of who sings lead, but I know I'll enjoy it and not feel like I've wasted my money at all.

[mandolinquent]

I kinda had a feeling that people were gonna jump all over what i said, but honestly I'm not upset that NC isnt singing, I just thought they were gonna and I'm a little dissapointed, thats all. ;) I enjoy a wide variety of music, so buying this CD just to broaden my horizons or open my mind isnt necessary, I like all kinds of music. However, I went to the sugar hill website and listened to the tracks, and I have to say I liked them, especially Sake Of The World Still, I prefer the vocals of NC.

[wilwaren]

Thank you, mandolinquent, that was brilliantly put. :rolleyes: Couldn't have said it better myself... really, i couldn't have.

[fiddlincklcrker]

I was wondering if the MAS tour when they perform just their MAS songs? Or will they be performing some of their songs too?

[Elizabeth]

Originally posted by wilwaren
I agree that people should have broad musical horizons and not listen to just one artist/band, for instance, are any of you into Riverdance??? It's SOOOO awesome.[noise]

I love Riverdance!!! It's great!

Fiddlncklcrkr - I read somewhere (it may have been on the Sugar Hill site) that there will be MAS, NC, Glen and some random stuff played on the tour.

To stay on topic - I'm not at all surprised that there's only Glen doing lead vocals on the MAS CD. I know lots of people on these boards have the infamous Joe's Pub gig, and if you listen, all of the MAS songs have lead by Glen so I wasn't expecting much else. And it's a 'mutual' admiration thing, Glen obviously admires NC's musical abilities and openly admits he can't play any of their songs, while NC say they love Glen's voice and his songs, so the album makes sense - NC play, while Glen writes and sings.

[carnegie]

RE: Performing MAS songs exclusively on the MAS tour…

I was wondering about that too. Since the NC web site says that the tour will celebrate the release of the Mutual Admiration Society album, I'd imagine that most of the songs performed would be from that CD. On the other hand, I'd also imagine that the Creek is savvy enough to please their loyal fans, and will include their own compositions too (maybe at least a few, anyway).

RE: Absence of NC lead vocals on MAS…

Actually, what concerned me even more when I first read the description of this album was the fact that it doesn't include any tunes written by the members of Nickel Creek. Fortunately, I've been pretty impressed with the tracks up on the Sugar Hill site. Based on what I've heard so far, I agree with Matt's assessment of this project--the Creek doesn't just take the back seat--their amazing instrumental skills do shine on the MAS songs (for example, Sara's fiddling on Windmills really enhances that song beautifully). Hopefully more tracks *will* be added to the Sugar Hill site each week, and we can continue to preview it.

[frogmorton]

Memphislovesnc on another thread posted a press release that said the concert would mix it up between MAS stuff and stuff from the various artists involved in the tour--NC, Phillips, and Jones.

[matt the fiddler]

guys- i am listening to the cd right now- it finally came in the mail today- will be giving more details later about it... some of you have had samples of the tracks fromt eh SH site, and get an idea of where it is going-

but here is the thing- it is a really exposed cd [a classic definition of a true rock cd].. but man this cd is really beautiful amazing. and very fun at places...

but creek really does an amazing job shaping the instrumentals...

wow. seriously. this thing really goes together like chocolate and peanut butter goes together on the chocolate chip peanut butter cookie dough cheeze cake from the cheese cake factory. mmmmm mmmm
[any one who has had that will understand my comparision]

[wilwaren]

[bigeyes]

*goes to Cheesecake Factory to try chocolate chip peanut butter cookie dough cheesecake*


mmmmmm, yeah, I'm definatly getting that CD :D

[matt the fiddler]

btw ..

2 songs no glen's voice on lead...



[in an unrelated story, it is reported by me that there are also 2 instrumentals on the cd strangly]

[mandolinquent]

Ok, ok...I give in! I ordered the CD and tickets for the Cleveland show today! I couldnt resist! That freakin' song has been running in my head for 2 freakin' days! Sake of the World= BRILLIANT!

[transformed]

Originally posted by matt the fiddler
btw ..

2 songs no glen's voice on lead...



[in an unrelated story, it is reported by me that there are also 2 instrumentals on the cd strangly]

these wouldn't be the same two songs by any chance, would they...? [splat]

[matt the fiddler]

iv'e done my..... TIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIMMMMEEEEE




oh yea- there is a hidden track too. will post full details on the cd very soon.. no time now- just got a batch of 15 new corals for the tank.....

[sweetafton23]

Originally posted by NCLuver333

Sorry, I just realized that I wrote a whole lot more than my two cents...:rolleyes:

:D yea, that was probably your... five cents or something.

[sweetafton23]

Originally posted by matt the fiddler
guys- i am listening to the cd right now- it finally came in the mail today- will be giving more details later about it...

[eek!!] whoa whoa whoa whoa now hold on thar...

:eek: WHERE did you get a copy? it isn't released to the public until the 13th of JULY!!!! It's not even the 13th of JUNE!!!

[sob] well, i hope that you're happily listening while the rest of us count the days...

[matt the fiddler]

it comes from being friends to the band since way back when/ the band pretty much making this website happen/ them pretty much supporting us from day 1. [waaaaaay back when before we had this URL, there was a member of the managment team that moderated/ was in charge- and kind of turned things over to me and chip... ] I am also help out sugar hill from time to time...

[Punk_Rocker_07]

I agree, there should be a more equal balance between the vocals. I would love to hear more NC then Glen, but I understand that it's perhaps more Glen's project then it is NC's therefore he is on it more.

[Muppet]

I would guess that everyone involved assumed the role that he/she felt most comfortable with. Glen as frontman is somewhat natural given his years with Toad and the years experience. Glen is mentioned fairly frequently as a solid songwriter by all involved. The Creek played to their strengths fantastic musicianship and beautiful harmonies.

I think what we will see as a result of all this is an interesting insight into what happens when two parties admire each other so highly. Hence the title of the project. Look at it as friends getting together to make music without ego.

[bugamile]

I just gotta know one thing!!!! Does Glen sing Trouble? Sarah is definatly the one who should be singing it! If his Toady voice is croaking out the beautiful song, I'll have to maybe buy it an hour later than I originally intended on . . . Whatever. But, he definately shouldn't be singing that song! :-(

[matt the fiddler]

yes he sings it bug. trust me- it still will rock your face off..

[bugamile]

Ok Matt. Coming from anyone else, I would be skeptical. But, if you say it's going to rock, I can't wait to hear it!!!!! :-D
Thanks for clearing that up for me!!!

[mastrhansolo]

Early in my Nickel Creek obsession, I searched for more NC material through google. That lead me to the collaborative work with Glen Phillips that I'm sure everyone knows is available on archive.org. At first, I wasn't so hot about GP, but he really grew on me after I incessantly played Joe's Pub over and over and over. I think his singing of Trouble is superb, and I think the same of his many other songs, particularly Darkest Hour and Fred Meyers. GP kicks ass, and although I'd love to hear more NC vocals, GP is just as great.

[sweetafton23]

you're right.
i just went to archive.org and listened to trouble, and as much as this sort of negates the whole gist of what i said to start this thread, i have to say--it's awesome.

[dirty_sandals]

And it may invite you in, but I won't go there. Won't go where? LOL, does this mean what I think it does, and if so...how is this coming from a guy? Not that my moral beliefs would allow me to go there, but for 90% of guys out there, this lyric doesn't sound right coming from a man.

[transformed]

i don't think it means that...just to verify, are the lyrics:

'here's the face of trouble
it's the face i wear
and it may invite you in
but i won't go there' ?

if so, i always took this to mean something like 'i'm kind of a disturbed person, and maybe something about that attracts you to me, but *i* certainly don't want to go into all those problems i have'

anyone else's ideas?

also, i believe this song was originally written by a guy (Jon Brion)