why should the fire die album SUCKS!!!!!!!!!!!

[was a fan?]

What kinna of album is why should the fire die?they have totaly changed their sound,only a tiny fragment of nickel creek is left.I'm very upset!!!!I thought a music roup I could relate to again,then they up and change,what's with that?This is very depressing!Does anyone agree?What do all you other fans think?

[iamalighthouse]

Personally I love the album, but i'll agree that it's a change. It seems to turn away from their bluegrass roots a little and if that's what you liked about them then i can see why you are disappointed. Some of the songs took some time to grow on me and now i love them, so i encourage u to keep listening

[Meghan Narser]

I love the album, and one of the reasons I like it so much is because it's such a change. Not because I happen to like the music better, but because to me, it shows that they are spreading out, testing new waters. They haven't turned their back on the bluegrass they're just experiamenting with other music as well so that they can become better at making genre soup as they call it.

I can understand why some would not enjoy this album as much as others (Though I think it's completly uncalled for to say it sucks), and if that's the case I encourage them to hand tight a little, don't completly stop listening to NC, and don't think that they sold out or anything. Maybe they'll come out with something more to your tastes later on.

[NCFreak]

Of COURSE it's a change. Basically, only those w/ absolutely no talent or imagination stay the same the whole career. NC's music has matured over the years because they're not a one-trick-pony. Ever heard a band be criticized by someone claiming All their songs song the same. Well, that's the OPPOSITE of NC. With the amazing talent they have as musicians/composers, you can't tell me that you expected their music not to change. What sucks is all the crap music on top 40 radio (rock & country), because they DON'T change. They follow a formula that makes money, and that's it. The songs those pathetic acts create is disposable, just like their careers.

WSTFD sounds the way it does because it's GOOD.

[buttermuffin4]

I've only heard four songs off the album, I love them all.
I think it's cool that they've changed their sound, all three albums are different, I love that. There's a sound and a song for just about every mood, very cool. :D

[iamalighthouse]

They are getting older and it is to be expected that their sound will be different from what they played when they were younger ,being very influenced by bluegrass. Please don't stop being a fan just because of one album. And saying that the album sucks is a little over the top. I understand if that's how you feel, but realize that this is a Nickel Creek forum and most people are fans of Nickel Creek and don't want to hear bad things about them.
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[NCFreak]

Wait, didn't we have this same discussion about 3 years ago? [think har

[Jimmie]

Originally posted by was a fan?
I'm very upset!!!!I thought a music roup I could relate to again,then they up and change,what's with that?This is very depressing!Does anyone agree?What do all you other fans think?
I agree completely! They made that great album of cowboy tunes, Little Cowpoke, and they haven't done a SINGLE cowboy tune since! That really sucks!

And they never wear those really cute cowboy clothes that they used to wear either!

[creaker]

Then...and now...

[creaker]

...

[buttermuffin4]

Whoa, thank goodness they stopped wearing those cowboy clothes! Eek. .

lol, what's up with Seans and Chris' head?

[creaker]

spikey hair, you see...

[creaker]

somehow, everything behind their hair has warped to fit around it... Could it be they have super-powers?

[e-rock2]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Jimmie
[B]
I agree completely! They made that great album of cowboy tunes, Little Cowpoke, and they haven't done a SINGLE cowboy tune since! That really sucks!

And they never wear those really cute cowboy clothes that they used to wear either!




Man, I miss those good 'ol cowboy days. This new stuff sucks!!! Giddy up!!!

[Meghan Narser]

I tend to run away from any music that is being played by someone in a cowboy hat... I know it's bad, and I should generalize, I just can't seem to stop

[e-rock2]

Seriously, that's the interesting thing about music. Some people like the same sound from their bands while others like groups that evolve while others just may like a group for their look or image or whatever. Nickel Creek tries to make music that's interesting for them. They are not catering to what anyone's musical taste is. If they are not into it, the music would suffer. They are very experimental and enjoy discovering new sounds and exploring different musical ideas. I personally enjoy not knowing what they will explore next. This is what makes it interesting on my end too. It is just plain good(actually great) music to me.

[e-rock2]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Meghan Narser
[B]I tend to run away from any music that is being played by someone in a cowboy hat... I know it's bad, and I should generalize, I just can't seem to stop


I best then put my cowboy hat and guitar away then. Sorry 'bout that pardner.

[Adyn]

Well, jeepers... I couldn't get onto the board at all this morning and look what kind of daisy pops up. Always the way hahaha.

I would have to say, to the orginal poster, while your opinion and actual post is fine, the title of your post is in very poor taste and not in keeping with the kind of community we have here. Unfortunately I can't change it w/o deleting the whole dern thread & I think the discussion has been handled maturely & respectfully.

(Good job, guys :D)

But, anyhow... the phrase that catches me is up and changed Ummmm, yeah. Bands change, people change. What's remained consistant in this band is an amazing attention to detail, quality & the undeniable musical talent.

No, they are not young kids singing happy accoustic ditties about innocent things, in a non-threatening manner. They have grown up and found what THEY believe to be their own voice as a band. Very much a gamble that MOST bands would not dare to take... choosing instead to cater to those folks who, like the orginal post here, will not like anything different and new.

What's interesting to me... is that unless you went from the ST album to this one (skipping this Side) it's not that big of a leap??? Especially if you have seen the band live. It's who they are NOW, which did not happen overnight, but rather over years since they started recording. And, having been a loyal fan for years now, I've loved watching them grow and say they deserve pats on the back for doing what most artists only dream of doing- writing, recording, and performing THEIR music.

[creaker]

Before and after...?

[e-rock2]

Marge Simpson is really Chris Thile. Who knew?

[e-rock2]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by iamalighthouse
[B]They are getting older and it is to be expected that their sound will be different from what they played when they were younger ,being very influenced by bluegrass. Please don't stop being a fan just because of one album. And saying that the album sucks is a little over the top. I understand if that's how you feel, but realize that this is a Nickel Creek forum and most people are fans of Nickel Creek and don't want to hear bad things about them.



I like it if people are honest, but they shouldn't start a thread saying that the new album SUCKS!!! Perhaps they could state their views in the message inside. If people aren't happy, they have a right to express it as that's why we're here.

[ERinSD]

I wonder if the person that started this thread is the same guy who when This Side came out said that it was so bad that NC would all be working at McDonalds (welcome to McDonalds, would you like Grammy with that crow?). Maybe, listen to it a few times before making such blanket statements.

[Adyn]

Originally posted by e-rock2
I like it if people are honest, but they shouldn't start a thread saying that the new album SUCKS!!! Perhaps they could state their views in the message inside. If people aren't happy, they have a right to express it as that's why we're here.

Well said :)

[chickzilla]

Originally posted by ERinSD
(welcome to McDonalds, would you like Grammy with that crow?)
*giggle*
i have no idea who these people are who come onto a Message Board of fans and supporters to say something we would obviously disagree with... but it seems just a little bit too harsh to annoy ourselves with for too long. though it is producing some good comebacks. :)

[Blueguy86]

Originally posted by was a fan?
What kinna of album is why should the fire die?they have totaly changed their sound,only a tiny fragment of nickel creek is left.

I'm going to have to politely disagree here...sure, their sound has changed and you can like that or not, but it's not fair at all to say that only a tiny fragment of Nickel Creek is left. Nickel Creek is what they were way back when and what they are right now...all of it, not just what you like. It's all their sound. Let's not let personal opinion get in the way of the facts.


Originally posted by NCFreak
What sucks is all the crap music on top 40 radio (rock & country), because they DON'T change. They follow a formula that makes money, and that's it. The songs those pathetic acts create is disposable, just like their careers.

AMEN! HOO-AH for artistic, creative, good music like Nickel Creek!!!

[mandoplayer15]

I love the album as well. Thats whats so awesome about NC! They always have something new for you to hear...they never get old. The mark of true musicianship is being able to not only play whats comfortable to you....but playing to the extent of your abbilities.

[SFJEDI]

I'll admit that the first time or two I listened to the new album I was suprised at the difference in sound.... I wasn't sure, but I knew they'd be AMAZING doing this stuff live. A few listens in and I am in love with every note!!

Very much the same feeling I had when I listened to Chris's last album. It's so good, so fresh and so intricate that you can't digest it in one listen. If that is the kinda music you like..... unfortunately there is so much out there you should have no trouble finding it.

[NCFan4Ever]

Any of you who have seen Nickel Creek live know that pretty much since the beginning of their careers they have been a mix of pretty much every musical genre out there. I think that every album they have released shows a different side of their amazing musical talents and I love that I have such a variety of different sounding stuff to listen to from them!

Also if you see them live you'll know that they have never really left their bluegrass roots...at pretty much every show I've been to (which is I think 15 or 16 by now) they've played at least one or two bluegrass songs. And I think all you have to do is listen to Stumptown to see that they've still got a blue-grassy sound. They just have a bunch of other sounds that they want to show off too. And I don't blame them! :D

Last, I just want to say that I really don't think WSTFD is as big of a departure as everyone makes it out to be. And I guess that we're just going to have this same conversation every time NC comes out with a new album.


PS-I think that the new album is awesome.

[NJlowe]

It won't be much longer until the NEW
album arrives(and enjoy)... I do agree
on one point-there's one country radio
station that doesn't branch out with
the playlist... Just the same songs over
and over(AAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGGH)-talk to you
later on!

Nancy

[rocky mtn high]

Well I have to disagree with the original post. I've only listened to the new ablum once through on cmt, don't want to spoil it too much until I get the actual cd in my hands. I like the album a ton, and it definitely sounds like one of those albums that will grow on you the more times you listen to it.

Bands grow as they play together for many years, which NC obviously has. They grow in their talents, songwriting abilities, personalities, as well as music that influences them and thus, the music they create. If the band doesn't grow musically, then they get in the rut of all the top 40 garbage of a band only having one sound and every song sounding the same. Even DMB, who is extremely talented got in this rut for a while, where all the songs started to sound like the others. DMB fans calm down, that isn't a bash on dmb, I really like them, but just wanted to demostrate the point.

Anyway, talented bands grow and give you a variety of style and genres as their musical tastes expand. I think their growth and variety just shows how creative and talented they are.

Self titled is a masterpiece, but NC can't just go make self titled part II and part III. Many untalented bands, with their marketing people running the show, try to do this by trying to duplicate a successful album just to make more money and usually when they do that the album is a flop.

Anyway, that's my two cents.

[Jimmie]

Originally posted by NCFan4Ever
I just want to say that I really don't think WSTFD is as big of a departure as everyone makes it out to be.
It's far less a departure than I expected it to be. And in fact, some parts of it reach back more to their roots than did anything on This Side. Overall, it's a small step in the same general direction that they've been heading in. Some of the tracks are truly something new, others would have been right at home on This Side, still others could have been on the self-titled album.

One of the interesting things about this album is that there is no consistent style whatsoever. Each track stands alone. The only two tracks that seem to have a common style might be Doubting Thomas and the title track. But every other track on the album is quite unique, often in several ways.

Like most good music, it takes some time and some listening to appreciate it. That's a good thing - records that are too readily accessable are often also readily forgotten. This is not trivial music.

[lmclark28]

I have to disagree with everyone to a certain extent...

First of all, this album should be praised for it's musicianship and brilliant writing...not simply because it is NC.

And more importantly, music is as personal and everchanging as any other character trait. I think it matures along with its writers...so their music is only learning, growing, experimenting, etc. So much has happened with this band professionally and personally. This album embrases those changes and does a great job of crawling deep inside of these people and gives us some of the most heartfelt and honest music I have ever heard.

I will say that this band can NOT be accused of selling out or any other packaged deal type of producing music. They play what is in their hearts, and matters of the heart change from time to time..


I am so thoroughly impressed by their constant attention to detail. This album is no exception!

[SpockTheater]

Hmmm...departure from the NC style? I can't quite agree with that. If you mean that this one doesn't have the gang shredding some mean licks in every song, then maybe you're right. It's pretty obvious that this one has a more laid back approach, but that doesn't take away from the wonderful songwriting as a whole. Basically, it doesn't suck at all.

Thought I'd add this to the radio comments. This could be a link to why radio has been down the drain for some time and why you hear the saaaaaaameeee songs over and over and over and o...you get my point. Anyway, read and [think har

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,163537,00.html

[e-rock2]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by SpockTheater
[B]Hmmm...departure from the NC style? I can't quite agree with that. If you mean that this one doesn't have the gang shredding some mean licks in every song, then maybe you're right. It's pretty obvious that this one has a more laid back approach, but that doesn't take away from the wonderful songwriting as a whole. Basically, it doesn't suck at all.

Thought I'd add this to the radio comments. This could be a link to why radio has been down the drain for some time and why you hear the saaaaaaameeee songs over and over and over and o...you get my point.




No surprise to me as I'd read another article talking about the cost to get a record airplay or to even get stations to think about playing it. Money and the big corporations(do I hear Clear Channel's name) have been ruining radio for quite some time. Of course this is just my opinion.

[Tinuviel Girl]

Perhaps this was all a hoax to test our loyalty to NC?

Eh ... more likely I just don't want to believe that someone could NOT like them ...

[chickzilla]

i know what you meant Eric but, no you did not hear Clear Channel's name in this thread, you DID however hear me say how much i hate them in another thread. but it still stands here.

[Tinuviel Girl]

Originally posted by was a fan?
What kinna of album is why should the fire die?they have totaly changed their sound,only a tiny fragment of nickel creek is left.I'm very upset!!!!I thought a music roup I could relate to again,then they up and change,what's with that?This is very depressing!Does anyone agree?What do all you other fans think?

Honestly ... some people are just so immature ... ;)

But I'm not, and I never was, never will be either. :D

[sacred!] **goes-and-hides-in-corner-trying-to-avoid-flying-sporks**

[hide]

[lethal12005]

I do think that everyone is entitled to an opinion. I've kept a pretty low profile as far as opinions on the new songs, mainly because I want to really study the album before adding my two cents.

Quoting amazon.com's review: albeit one that might not appeal to their earliest fans.

- If anyone worships the ST album that much, just continue to listen to it.

[matt the fiddler]

all i say is.......

bill himself had to go against the grain and leave part of his upbringing to create bluegrass.


though that first post looks suspiciously like a troll, given that person has one post and has not yet replied...... hmmm

[Tinuviel Girl]

Well they kinda got it shoved in their face didn't they.

Obviously someone didn't want them to know who they were.

Or they wanted to see how people would react to something like this.

Or they are stupid.

Or they think that we won't respond sarcastically.

Or they think we won't post a pic of Chris looking like Marge Simpson.

Or they are seriously deranged and need to see a phsyciatrist.

Or they are yet another closed minded person who is completely against anything original.

Or this post is getting a little bit harsh and I should stop.

Or maybe yeah ...

Or maybe they really don't like the new album.







NAH

[Meghan Narser]

You forgot Or several of the above...

[scarlett_fox]

Honestly ... some people are just so immature ...

But I'm not, and I never was, never will be either.

**goes-and-hides-in-corner-trying-to-avoid-flying-sporks**

*goes and hides with her* hello there! here *hands her an anti-spork helmet* *straps one on*

anyway...I personally like their style change. Why? The world needs a few more musical innovators to keep music from becoming a collection of the same old generic rock/pop/rap/country songs. Seriously, it gets stale after a while and I see Nickel Creek a band to give us a breath of freash air between the pollution of the mundane and generic. Not to say that everything else sucks and NC is the only thing I'll listen to. Because it isn't, and it's good to keep and open mind about music and listen to all sorts of things, generic or not.

So some people don't like WSTFD's new style, we're all entitled to an opinion. and I agree somewhat that yes, in some ways its drastically different. But it's still Nickel Creek, and as a fan I'm actually really excited that its different!

I still stick by Chris's little motto, Always listen. You really never know what you're going to hear....

[sixpenceguy]

I believe that we are hearing, for the first time, who Nickel Creek truly is because the new album finally captures the of the energy of the live show. I don't buy that their sound has changed radically though. I was fearing a crossover attempt with this album, but the trademark harmonies along with virtuoso musicianship is still present, and the band remains true to their acoustic roots.

One thing I did notice is each band member's personality is more prominent on the album, and Chrs Thile is emerging as more of a band leader. I get a very strong Deceiver vibe on many of the songs.

If you've seen NC live in the past 2 years, this album shouldn't be much of a surprise.

Greg

[lerdave]

Each NC album seems to present a wider range of musical styles and each album becomes more difficult to catagorize or to try to describe to someone who hasn't heard it. WSTFD has a few songs that seem a little like throwbacks (Stumptown, Tomorrow is a Long Time, Anthony and others) and others that seem like they are heading in new directions. I like the diversity, but I'm not sure most CD buyers do.

If you owned a music store, in what category would you stock WSTFD?

[Adyn]

Originally posted by lerdave

If you owned a music store, in what category would you stock WSTFD?

I'd have to go with rock/pop. I think it would find a more appropriate audiece there. Though, hmmm, lost of new country is very much like rock/pop... so maybe that's not true.

I think in my store, we'd have a classical and non classical section and people could just look stuff up by artist hahahaah.

Genres are funny things, eh?

[e-rock2]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by lerdave


I like the diversity, but I'm not sure most CD buyers do.

If you owned a music store, in what category would you stock WSTFD?



I hate to say it, but I still think there are people out there who think that they should always make CD's that sound like the 1st one. To them it is the ultimate Nickel Creek CD and it doesn't get better than that to them. There is a large percentage of the population that doesn't want their musicians to change or to grow or expand their sound to incorporate new ideas. They will always listen to the music of their youth and to them it is the best music. To their credit, Nickel Creek makes music for themselves and not the CD buyers. That is what makes them so unique.

You would have to put them in the rock/pop category, but I hate the idea of categories. Perhaps everything should just be listed in alphabetical order and forget about genres completely.

[e-rock2]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by sixpenceguy

If you've seen NC live in the past 2 years, this album shouldn't be much of a surprise.



Totally the way I see it too. I think the whole idea that the CD is such a radical departure is ridiculous. The only way to get that impression is to not have seen the band live over the past 3 years since This Side came out.

[Meghan Narser]

Originally posted by sixpenceguy
One thing I did notice is each band member's personality is more prominent on the album, and Chrs Thile is emerging as more of a band leader. I get a very strong Deceiver vibe on many of the songs.

I don't know if that's true though. I don't think Chris Thile is becoming the band leader. They've said on numerous occasions that I've heard that their music tastes often move in the same directions, and I think the Deceiver vibe on this record is just because he just happened to be the last one to put out an album. If either Sara or Sean had done so it probably would've sounded similar.

I think Thile's becoming more of the figure head, not so much the leader.

[Tinuviel Girl]

Originally posted by scarlett_fox


*goes and hides with her* hello there! here *hands her an anti-spork helmet* *straps one on*


Welcome!! Thanks for the helmet!

Meghan your right I did forget that ... [bang]

I'm gonna have to go with the general concensus here and say

ALWAYS LISTEN

Even if you don't like it.
Even if your so incredibly sick of it you want to vomit.
Even if your being forced to listen to it.
Even if you are being totured musically with it.
Even if you can't stand it ... (yeah this one just isn't working as well as the last one was)
BECAUSE - It's Nickel Creek, and they are the best, and if you don't like them your just stupid, and thats all there is to it!
Ok maybe not if you don't like em fine w/e I don't really care. I know in my heart I'm funny, & I also know I love Nickel Creek, but I'm gonna go now

[scarlett_fox]

Originally posted by Tinuviel Girl


Welcome!! Thanks for the helmet!

Meghan your right I did forget that ... [bang]

I'm gonna have to go with the general concensus here and say

ALWAYS LISTEN

Even if you don't like it.
Even if your so incredibly sick of it you want to vomit.
Even if your being forced to listen to it.
Even if you are being totured musically with it.
Even if you can't stand it ... (yeah this one just isn't working as well as the last one was)
BECAUSE - It's Nickel Creek, and they are the best, and if you don't like them your just stupid, and thats all there is to it!
Ok maybe not if you don't like em fine w/e I don't really care. I know in my heart I'm funny, & I also know I love Nickel Creek, but I'm gonna go now

cheers to that [party]