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Jimmie
08-08-2005, 10:37 AM
Originally posted by Jimmie in another thread...
Then there's this statement: Helena, Thile says, builds massively, because this character is deteriorating before your eyes.

That's, for me, what makes Helena such an interesting song. Both the title character and the individual speaking to her change as the song moves forward. It starts out in one frame of mind, and ends in quite another.
Chris elaborates on this point in the new Rolling Stone interview:

As a songwriter, I was happy with the development of the character and how he deteriorates before your eyes and exposes himself to be the desperate, conniving asshole that he is.

Looking at the songs as a whole on WSTFD, I wonder about the experiences that may have triggered them.

It's always a risk with songwriters to assume that they are writing from personal experience - that is, to assume that a song is fact rather than fiction. But that question is really put into focus when you read this quote from Chris:

The title alludes to dissolution, he says. The deeper you get in with anyone, certainly the darker and more complex it becomes. It seems like most relationships, particularly romantic, inevitably deteriorate . . . including, recently, my marriage.

There are quite a few songs on WSTFD that seem to deal with failing relationships. I suspect that there are elements of both fact and fiction mixed into these lyrics.

SFJEDI
08-08-2005, 10:42 AM
Hmmm..... didn't realize Chris's marriage ended. Sad.

Meghan Narser
08-08-2005, 11:11 AM
Anthony was originally Angely ;) I know that much lol

Jimmie
08-08-2005, 11:54 AM
Originally posted by SFJEDI
Hmmm..... didn't realize Chris's marriage ended. That may be true, but I wouldn't make any assumptions. The word he used was deteriorated.

PrincessNic
08-08-2005, 12:10 PM
Originally posted by Jimmie

The title alludes to dissolution, he says. The deeper you get in with anyone, certainly the darker and more complex it becomes. It seems like most relationships, particularly romantic, inevitably deteriorate . . . including, recently, my marriage.




That quote from him is so depressing. Bitter, almost. It seems as if he is saying that no relationship can last. I am not sure.

From that quote I do believe a lot of the songs stemmed from fact, remember what he said about the album in the Making of Video for When In Rome. He said something like the album was a mix between what is real and what is surreal. I think that describes it perfectly.

SFJEDI
08-08-2005, 12:39 PM
Originally posted by Jimmie
That may be true, but I wouldn't make any assumptions. The word he used was deteriorated.

Fair enough although I don't think it was much of an assumption. When a relationship is described as deteriorated that usually means ended.....or ending.

More on topic.... I think that from a writers point of view, there has to be some truth in fiction, no matter how small. A good writer can mask the truth or spin it in such a way as to make their point accessable to others who have not had the same experence.

flutegrl71
08-08-2005, 01:38 PM
That is a rather dark quote. I agree with Princess Nic, it does come across as though Chris doesn't hold a lot of trust in the endurance of any relationship.

That said, there's usually some sort of personal experience that can trigger the creation of a work (I'm including any artform), and then elements of fiction that can lend either credence and emphasis to its impact.

lethal12005
08-08-2005, 02:02 PM
Some lyrics are not what I consider to be from the deep end of the pool. Maybe this stuff is. but I wouldn't think that all of the songs would be autobiographical.

e-rock2
08-08-2005, 03:08 PM
The one thing I want to caution everyone with is the fact that some of these songs were written quite awhile back and not all are about them. Chris once stated that Can't Complain was written about a female friend. The best songwriters combine some truth with a little bit of storytelling to make things more interesting.

sunsethj
08-09-2005, 08:54 PM
I can understand Chris' current view on love and relationships. Anyone that has gone through an 'ending' like that is bound to lose faith in love for a while. Look at Alanis' recordings. It also has to be hard seeing as how they have only been married for just over a year. WSTFD has a darker tone and I love it!

matt the fiddler
08-09-2005, 09:24 PM
i talked about it on this thread... please read....

http://www.nickelcreek.info/forum/showthread.php?postid=52113#post52113

Ikkin1018
08-11-2005, 12:41 AM
Thank you for clarifying that, I didn't want to say anything until I knew.
It's so sad, I think I'm going to cry.