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Rob
07-17-2002, 08:13 PM
[Sorry this got so long. Nobody's ever called me terse :) ]

It seems a simple enough observation that one attribute that makes a musician, writer, or band great is the ability to write prose to which people relate. The members of Pink Floyd, for example, of whom I have always been a tremendous fan, will be the first to admit that their technical playing skill is (unlike Nickel Creek's!) just good. One of the things I've always felt made them great (and I admit it's a personal assessment) was how many times I've listened to one of their songs and thought how the [expletive] could they possibly know THAT about ME, much less feel it as personally as it must have taken to compose this song?! In addition to some embarassingly talented technical ability, Nickel Creek (with only a little help from a few folks from whom they've borrowed) also have this ability. I don't think it's anything that a band consciously tries to do; if they did, the songs would be so mushy and vague that they'd sound like a fortune cookie or a horoscope.

What really fascinates me, though, is how a song that seems so particular can, in the wild, bear so much weight. The Hand Song is a good example for me. When I was very young (and equally poor), my folks used to humidify our apartment by putting a pan of water on the floor furnace (a large, gas-fired grill [literally] in the middle of the floor; can you say bad design?). One time when my mom had taken the protective fence down that they had around the grate to keep me from crawling on it so she could refill the water pan (you can see this coming, can't you?), I must have heard her and tried to get to her. Yup, that's right: Not pretty. Without going into too much detail, it took all the meat off both hands right down to the bone. Ouch.

When I heard The Hand Song, it really struck a nerve (so to speak) with me; like many of us, I can still nearly recite the Christmas story from Luke just from hearing my mother read it to us every year. Of course, the composers couldn't have had any of this in mind when they wrote the song, but it's a pretty close fit to my situation. (And most people would tell you that that's just about as far as the analogy between me and Christ can be stretched!)

Question: Have any of you ever listened to a song about a fairly particular situation, and either thought that it directly described some aspect of your life, or that it was at least a very good metaphor for some part of your life (e.g., When You Come Back Down pretty perfectly describes my leaving my friends and family to go to law school in my twilight years, but more metaphorically than literally)?

...Rob

jaceyhomen
07-17-2002, 08:27 PM
Rob Loved your post. This board could stand a little....ummmm....thoughtfulness?

I am Pink Floyd's oldest and dearest fan. I think Shine on... is the best piece of popular music ever written. It's sort of engraved on my mind.

Words to songs almost always remind me of something in my life, some experience I've felt or person I've known. I can't remember which side of the car the gas tank is on, but I can remember words to songs I listened to 50 years ago. My hearing isn't good and I seldom catch all the words anymore. I need to see them in print. Once I really know the words, I seldom forget them....and they usually relate to some thing or person.

Sara and Sean sang three songs I'd never heard before (at a local jam session) and I heard their voices but did not understand the words. Bummer. Getting old is not for sissies.

Thanks again for your interesing post.
Jacey

NCFan4Ever
07-17-2002, 08:33 PM
Yes. Reasons Why might as well have been written for me!

Chip
07-18-2002, 12:42 AM
I absolutely believe that songs can have multiple meanings, and I think that often the songwriter creates the lyrics specifically with multiple interpretations in mind.

While some lyricists are delighted to explain the meaning of their songs, a lot of others, even when asked, politely defer, instead preferring that those listening bring their own interpretations... which are sometimes incredibly deep and thoughtful, sometimes whimsical, and sometimes maybe a little crazy :)

Glen Phillips from Toad the Wet Sprocket oftentime would not decode his more cryptic lyrics, because he didn't want to spoil the song for someone that might already have another interpretation or meaning for it.

I think that in some cases, the lyric can almost represent a rorschach for the ears (if you're familiar with the ink blots that are used as psychological tests) and can be a window on the psyche of the listener.

That's one of the things that gives me such pleasure and excitement about good music... it is really a very multidimtional craft!

jaceyhomen
07-18-2002, 07:48 AM
Chip Love that rorschach for the ears! You so hit the nail on the head, as usual.

Do you know if NC writes the music first and then the words, or the other way around? Or is it sort of....at the same time? I've written reams of poetry and sometimes look at one of them and sort of...hum along with it? Is this the way it's usually done?
Jacey

southernyankee
07-18-2002, 08:59 AM
Loved your post, Rob! I completely agree with you. Jars of Clay is another group with very complicated lyrics. People demand an explanation just because their a Christian group and I guess their afraid of lyrics that are vague.
Reason's Why is a snap shot of my life-or rather, something I experienced. I also really relate to Green and Grey is a sort of way and Let it Fall It's really easy for Nickel Creek songs to match my life because I am their age and I am a Christian, like them so it makes sense.
I love it when you can interpret for yourself what lyrics mean. Sometimes I wonder what the artist meant, but like you said-that might ruin it. Sometimes it gives me insight into how other people think. For isnstance-have any of y'all ever heard the Toad Song (I am sure you ahve-stupid question!) Fly from Heaven When I was 15 (and trapped in legalism) I always skipped that song on the cd because I thought it was blasphemous but then one day I sat down and listened to it and it really gave me insight into some people's thinking process about Jesus. I don't agree with the meaning I think it has, but I can listen to it and it doesn't make me have the same thoughts, but it only encourages me to want to share Christ's love with the lost. At the same time, someone could be listening to it and thinking, Yeah, that's how I feel.
I am going off-topic, but that's an example of how one song can mean something to someone else and something else to another.

April

mandoBob
07-18-2002, 09:15 AM
dittos all around :-)
if you ever get the chance, take some literary theory classes. some stuff in this vein is pretty weird, but I found it very stimulating to delve into the what is meaning sorta questions.
anyway, I heard somewhere that one possible meaning of fly from heaven is that it's from the perspective of James (Jesus' half-brother) before he became a Christian (and wrote one of the most challenging books in the NT). listen to it from that perspective and the song just opens up. it's my favorite toad song.

nitejule
07-18-2002, 09:20 AM
thats one of the many things i love about NC. you can take bitz and pieces if not most of their songs and apply it to your life. its nice to be able to listen to some of their songs when ya are having a bad day and be made to feel better. i just love their emotion, they are truly wonderful, and their music means alot to me!!

NCFan4Ever
07-18-2002, 11:30 AM
I also think that different songs can mean different things at different points in your life. Sometimes I listen to When You Come Back Down and I almost cry because it reminds me of how I feel about my friends as we're going into our Senior year and will soon be leaving each other and going to college. Then other times I listen to it and am lifted up because I know that I am surrouned by so many people who will catch me when I fall. It just depends on the mood, I guess. That's probably my favorite part of Nickel Creek... I always feel like they're singing directly at me!

nitejule
07-18-2002, 12:39 PM
i agree to that!! plus it can mean different things to different people. lifes a crazy thing sometimes and so is music!

NCFan4Ever
07-18-2002, 02:27 PM
Well between all of this talk about lyrics and the new cd, I am totally on a music rage....I've been listening to like, every cd I have all day!

nitejule
07-18-2002, 02:38 PM
tell me about it i have been listenin to the creeksters all day!!

NCFan4Ever
07-18-2002, 03:00 PM
I know! I went out driving for like, 2 hours and listened to the NC album twice, Sam Bush's Glamour and Grits, Patty Loveless's new one, and the NC album again! I used up like, half a tank of gas but it was totally worth it to rediscover those albums again!