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nitejule

08-16-2002, 09:11 PM

grrrr......ok posts like this really make me mad!!!

yes i know that everyone is intitled to their opnion but geez people can ya keep it to a minimum of bashing the album......i mean come on!! there are a lot of people here that i know aren't saying anything in some of these posts. i wasn't gonna say anything but i've just had enough of this krap to be honest.

i am truly sorry if i offend anyone but you guys must realize that nickel creek is young and have many musical influences. they have a very open mind when it comes music. and i think alot of the fans could learn from them also. just because they have made new music their own doesn't mean you have to stop being a fan or bash the heck outta the album.

i think that nickel creeks music is way ahead of their time if you ask me. they are such wonderful musicians, and since they are so young they have alot more to learn and the ability to grow. when you listen to the album you must have an open mind. i admit that the album was different but as i listend to the whole thing i like it. just because they tried alot of new things and really made the music their own, doesn't mean they aren't influenced by other bluegrass artists. and its like chris said on MWL not all of our fans are gonna like this album, you can't expect everyone too. but some of you guys are just voiceing your opinions very strongly and in a rude way. just imagine what they would think if they read some of these things. they would think that some of these things that were said are prolly awful and wonder why you are here in the first place.

if you were a fan of nickel creek from the beginning then you have seen them change from the lil' cowpoke days, to now. they have grown so much as people, and musicians. and they have alot of stuff that they have experienced and that gives them more to write about. which makes them so original and i love them for that.

i am sorry for being so fussy and having to vent but i have been reading some of these posts that are just dreadful!! and i just needed to let off some steam. it is not to any particular person, its just to the attitude of some of these posts. but i hope that you can understand where i am coming from.

NCFreak

08-16-2002, 09:34 PM

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NcF4Eva

08-16-2002, 09:42 PM

Yes Why would you guys talk about them like that.They are going all out and WHO FOR..US! They have gve up there lives just to sing for us.I am really disapointed in you guys.I think you would have more respect for them.Theu have always been there for us,and it is crying shame about this thread.The only thing that matters is that they are singing and doing it for US.I would give up my army crarie for them.I care very much about them.

I am upset to come onto this forum and beinjg new and all and SEEING THIS.How you guys thank them for being the best they CAN[bang] You guys make mne think that you guys do not care for them AT ALL.You guys make me sick.

They speak the truth in ther songs and there songs get to me.I do not know what else to say about this crap!I am going to leave it at this and I hope that you guys think long and hard about what you saud about the,!!!

Always mary

nitejule

08-16-2002, 10:01 PM

i have a feeling this is gonna cause drama and i am soo sorry but i just hope that you guys can understand how we feel on this matter. i am a nickel creek fan to the bone and will always be behind them 110% in what ever they want to do, or the path that they want to follow with their music!! but this is all my opinon and like i said i was not aiming this at anyone, its was just a general opinion, you guys know i love ya all!!! and i love being here on this board, but this was just a touchy/stressful topic.

Bart Simpson

08-16-2002, 10:51 PM

If Nickel Creek teamed up with Eminem and Dr. Dre would you still be 110% behind them? I'm not trying to affend anyone ar get anyome mad![think]

nitejule

08-16-2002, 10:55 PM

yeah actually!! that would just show that they are open to try new things. plus i like E. some of his lyrics may be out there but he has had a crazy childhood and he expresses it through music! that what music is. its an expression. and everyone has their own way of doin it!! like i said i am behind nickel creek, and some of the things that they explore are kinda interesting and things that no one would expect, and the thing is that they take it and make it work. not many artists can say that!!

mandofocus

08-17-2002, 12:03 AM

I have to totally agree with Christy on everything.
Nickel Creek IS an evolving band. All bands are. Nobody ever stays the same and if they did, no one would listen to them very long. I have to say Hooray to Nickel Creek for mixing all the different types of music together. Someone was bound to do it and I'm glad that it was this talented group. As for NC teaming up with Eminem, I would definitely be behind them 150%. Eminem is a talented artist (though straange as it may be) in rap while NC is talented in thier own classification.
I was hooked onto thier cd from the first time I heard both cds. That will NEVER change.
I also agree that there is a lot of crap being said here. :mad: Crap talk is not wanted or appriciated here. This site and these boards were designed for true fans of Nickel Creek. What I have been seeing lately is non-fan-like crap.
Sorry if I seem offend, but I really don't like people who say that they are fans but clearly show disapproval of thier favorite band. I also just need a place to vent about this. [bang]
Sorry again if I offend anyone. I do not intend to.
-PJ- :cool:

NCFreak

08-17-2002, 01:20 AM

Originally posted by mandofocus
Crap talk is not wanted or appriciated here.
I apprciate it...as long as it's honest, intelligently written and well structured, along w/ having a valid point. PC is for people who are afraid of getting their feelings hurt. No offense.

Lee32

08-17-2002, 05:55 AM

i guess the truth hurts........ they are way ahead of there time???? they are so far ahead of there time.......they think they are a poor version of the dave matthews band. you guys need to open your eyes.......this cd is terrible.....there is nothing bluegrass about it, which is what put them on the map in first place. this is not country, not bluegrass, its shania twain, fatih hill........vh1 pop. this cd will bomb.....then when nc gets tired of flipping hamburgers, because there career is over.......maybe they should have thought about what they were....and who they tried to be.

JoshM17

08-17-2002, 06:34 AM

Lee32, you are being completely irrational in your arguments. Besides being wrong about the cd, you are making points that aren't even there.

Hey, have you ever tried playing the mandolin faster than you can say 'Nickel Creek'? Have you ever played a tune on the guitar with more than a billion chord changes? Ever tore up the stage with excellent fiddle playing? I'm guessing the answer to all those questions is most likely no. Nickel Creek will not end up flipping burgers, they will continue to excel like they have in the past.

Just get over it, you don't like the album, and now you are crticizing the band. We're all entitled to our opinions, but please make arguments that at least almost make sense.

While I'm at it, This Side rules!!!

~Josh

Lee32

08-17-2002, 06:51 AM

take off your blinders.........the first cd was good.....this one sucks....they suck..........get a grip fool

katiekind

08-17-2002, 07:49 AM

Hi Lee,

What were your favorite parts on the first CD? Nobody should feel obligated to like everything Nickel Creek does. So let's get to know you....what DO you like?

jaceyhomen

08-17-2002, 09:15 AM

Christy.....good points, good for you!

And Bryan...you are hilarious!

Jacey

kokomo88

08-17-2002, 09:17 AM

Lee, that's your opinion, if your going to be this rude and irrational about it, please, keep it to yourself,what is there that is so terrible about the CD?

they will NEVER be flipping hamburgers, because there are far too many fans, and not enough of Lee.

NC is SUCH a talented group, and there is NO way NC will EVER sound like Shania, or Faith.
there is nothing bluegrass about it?
ok, NC isn't bluegrass.
Never have been, they've always been just Nickel Creek.
Sean said they definitely started from bluegrass, and while they try to keep it in there, they LOVE changing, and they are a group for changing.
They aren't bluegrass, so if there isn't anything bluegrass about the CD, I don't think there should be in the first place.
and you don't need to say it sucks. It doesn't....
they are constantly evolving, but they will never be working at Mickey D's, thinkin about their pasts. and you DON'T have to call Josh a fool...
So please, just try to be a little nicer? when you give them a bad review.

But you could at least right now, stop being such a stubborn person about it....and stop bad mouthing everything,....like katiekind asked, is there ANYTHING you like about the new album?

littlevenice143

08-17-2002, 09:34 AM

[shock] Wow...they think they are a poor version the Dave Matthews Band huh? Is that supposed to be an insult to Nickel Creek or Dmb or what? what is that??? I don't understand that shut down or insult or whatever it was. Hey it could be a compliment...DMB rocks...please explain. I am just curious bc I am a huge DMB fan.

oh yeah...and I loooove This Side. I honestly think I like it better than the last album. More songs have lyrics and I like lyrics. Of course some people don't like lyrics...more power to them...I am not going to bash them or anything. . .

littlevenice143

08-17-2002, 09:39 AM

i just reread my thread and I didn't mean to sound mean in it....I guess first thoughts about this kind of thing tend to seem kinda mean...sorry

nitejule

08-17-2002, 09:44 AM

LEE: ok you are being really immature about the whole situation. so you don't like the album....great for you. but these boards are here for fans of nickel creek and from the stuff that you are saying you are in no way a nickel creek fan anymore. and you lashing out at the people here is very uncalled for. i think you need to relax and chill out. if all you are ever gonna talk about here is negative things then personally i don't want you here being rude and causing drama. there was no need to talk to josh like that, and to talk about nickel creek like that. just try to think before you speak here. there are alot of true fans that are here like myself that love nickel creek and will stand by them through their musical changes. thats the role of being a fan. so just get over yourself about the album and continue to be a fan. if you aren't a fan anymore then i have you say that you really don't belong here with the rude comments you have made bashing nickel creek as well as some of the board members!!

katiekind

08-17-2002, 09:44 AM

Actually Jocelyn, I got the message he doesn't like the new album at all, so I thought it might be friendlier to just ask what he likes about the earlier, self-titled album, and get to know him or her that way.

:)

kokomo88

08-17-2002, 09:48 AM

oops![bang]
and I thought I was on a roll....LOL that's what I get 4 not paying attention huh?
lol [bang]

Bart Simpson

08-17-2002, 12:26 PM

Now. I am a hardcore bluegrasser so Nickel Creek is a far cry from what I normally listen to. But......... I still like them. I think they are great artists and musicians. Now I have personally seen them change musical forms since I grew up in San Diego and have always been in the bluegrass scene since birth. Heck I can remember playing football with Chris at a Bluegrass Festival in 29 palms in California. No how many people can say they have done that. Although I dont like the new CD. But then again I am a hardcore bluegrass fan Go Flatt and Scruggs! see. Let Lee post his opinions those are his thoughts

kokomo88

08-17-2002, 12:54 PM

ya sure he can post his opinions, but does he hafta be so immature with the way he words those opinions?

Chip

08-17-2002, 01:24 PM

Keep in mind that the terms of service everyone signs up for say that debate and discussion is encouraged but flaming and attacks are not.

I think it's fine to say I really don't like this and discuss why, but not to simply denigrate it.

Likewise, all of the rabid NC fans can learn to be a little more tolerant of criticism... the band is quite aware that this album was going to shake things up, and they're willing to accept the criciticism that comes with that... and I think the fans can do that as well.

nitejule

08-17-2002, 01:46 PM

hey chip!! i just didn't really agree with the rude stabs. and i know i made one to a certain individual and i apologize for that. i agree that alot of us here can take a lot of the criticism, but some of them are just low blows which has caused us to get mad/offended or what not.

i of all people want peace on the boards, lol. i just think that some comments should just have been worded a little better/differently. i know that not all people are gonna like this album. thats just the facts of life in the music industry. oh well!! but we are all fans here and we should all get along!! lets not focus on all the negative things. lets talk about more of the happy/positive things. there's no need for us to fight!!! we are here for the same reason!!

WE LOVE NICKEL CREEK!!!!!

kokomo88

08-17-2002, 01:48 PM

me too, peashe?
lol, I usually take criticism very well too,..but ah, when it comes to NC, forget it..he he

NCFreak

08-17-2002, 04:21 PM

Originally posted by jaceyhomen
And Bryan...you are hilarious!
[shock] Who? Me?

Home Slice...since when has the 'Creek referred to themselves as bluegrass? This morning, Chris referred to themselves as Progressive Accoustic. Works or me. It's just like when the Beach Boys released Pet Sounds. They pissed a bunch of people off, too. However, they would be doing themselves a disservice no to expand and grow.

I'm cool. :cool:

mandofocus

08-17-2002, 05:09 PM

I agree with what people are saying, that we can handle criticism and so forth, but strait on attacks of personality? come on that cannot be stood for here. It's one thing for Lee to be criticising(?) Nickel creek's music but not them as people or any of the members who post to these boards. That is blaintent disrespect.
My band teacher once said: I don't care if you like me or hate me, but you will respect me. I think that everyone should keep this thought in mind.
As for Nickel Creek's music, I think that it is what everyone should take at least one listen to. They have successfully blended almost every type of music into one cd. Not an easy task for any group to accomplish. This kind of mix as you will, has, in my opinion, open everyone here up to music that they possiblely may not have listened to before.
Those are just a couple of my thoughts and interpret them as you will. They are not meant to offend anyone in any way or to berate someone's personal opinions.
-PJ- :cool:

Chip

08-18-2002, 01:08 AM

I think the issue here is that OTHER PEOPLE (i.e., reviewers, etc) have labeled NC as bluegrass ... fans of bluegrass found them and liked them, and are now upset that NC is no longer focusing on bluegrass.

It really won't do any good at all to complain that the new record is a departure from bluegrass.

Yes, it is. A BIG departure. Unlikely that they'll do another bluegrass focused record, especially since Chris says they'll never do a concept album.

So... there are two solutions for those that don't like the current direction:

1. Embrace the changing sound of Nickel Creek, and assume that it will continue to evolve and grow, and learn to appreciate it. (Not difficult for most if you give it a try)

2. Find another band that's more traditional bluegrass oriented and focus your energies on them.

littlevenice143

08-18-2002, 07:12 AM

I kinda have to look at this thread and laugh now....because everyone is just so darn nice about it!! :) If you went to a message board like say...the dave matthews band...from what my boyfriend tells me, you would hear much much worse things being said than what Lee said. I am not condoning what he said at all, I just think it's kinda cool how nice people handled this situation as opposed to the not-so-nice who would use profane language and threaten, etc etc, that kind of a thing. I know it wasn't perfectly nice but it could have been much worse. I know I posted earlier on this thread but my bf brought up this point and now I just think it's kinda cool having all these really nice people to talk to.

NCFan4Ever

08-18-2002, 09:02 AM

OK, I couldn't quite make it through all of the posts bc I am too impatient, but I just have to say..

It's one thing to say that you don't like the album, discuss why you like it, and leave it at that. We have no right to yell at you for just stating your opinion.

It's quite another to be rude. You make yourself sound really ignorant when you act like a five year old. How about saying they have departed from their bluegrass roots and I don't really like the new sound. instead of saying this is crap. this sucks fool. You make yourself sound stupid, which I am sure you really arent. Talk intelligently and maybe we will listen to what you have to say and actually give you some respect!

Why are you even here if you dont like NC?

Lee32

08-18-2002, 09:10 AM

what am i? the second coming of hitler? yes i called josh a fool, he said my agruments made no sense........his didnt either. i tell you guys what im on aol, msn, icq, yahoo........whoever wants to find out why i said what i have....then you are free to find out. im sure that you will see.......im not a mean sprited bad person.. i just have an opinion, no-one seems to agree with ......so i will get off your message board........sorry if upset anyone........

jaceyhomen

08-18-2002, 09:21 AM

Adolph....err.....Lee

Don't run away mad. Let's all kiss and make up.

Please read Melanie's last message, she is very correct. There's nothing wrong with offering your opinion...everybody isn't going to love This Side! It's how you do it that muddies the waters. If you have reasonable (to you) reasons for not liking it, state 'em. Honestly and with well thought out reasons for disliking it.

But being snarky does turn people off and doesn't support your opinion. I know because I fight snarkiness in me all the time! You can do it! So, on the blackboard, write I WILL NOT BE SNARKY 100 times. Good boy.

Jacey

Lee32

08-18-2002, 09:26 AM

lol...no thx........you rabid nc fans.......are way too bloodthirsty

nitejule

08-18-2002, 10:53 AM

see its responses like that, that make people not want to listen to what you have to say or to be nice to you.

littlevenice143

08-18-2002, 12:08 PM

okaaay...so I guess you guys have proven my last post wrong. . . soo anyway. . .

nitejule

08-18-2002, 01:00 PM

LV: well like you said things can be worse on other boards, i have seen soooooo many other threads on my other boards that are sooo awful!! but we are taking things well as you said. alot of us are nice about it!! but when short snide responses are made, when we are willing to forgive is just something that almost forces us to change our mind. do you understand where i am coming from?

ncangie

08-18-2002, 02:25 PM

Looking at both sides on This Side (ha) I can see where some NC fans would be like Evil! on any dissension in the ranks in opinion on the CD. (it happens with any artist) However, as has been stated, it's not that we're saying Sei Still! (be quiet) to you, Lee, for voicing your opinions, it's just that because we don't see your side and perceived slights that the world has gone to pot. All it was a misunderstanding, but if you don't want to put it behind you, it's your loss. We're moving on here.

-Angie

Sarah9230

08-18-2002, 02:59 PM

Everyone who reads this thread heeds to go to the hotdog thread. I dont care if you have already read it, read it again. There is way too much tension here. If you dont like NC then go away[run] IF you do like NC back off.[nono] CAN'T WE ALL JUST GET ALONG?! Please try. For the peace of the board.

My 2 cents.

nitejule

08-18-2002, 03:50 PM

i'm up for a good hotdog :p ;) [lloll]

Bart Simpson

08-18-2002, 04:55 PM

Crazy rabid Nickel Creek fans that is hilarious can you imagine that! Everyone at their concert is foaming at the mouth and shouting all together Chris Chris Chris. Its like a Ozzy concert!
Have I just unleashed a new purebread of Nickel Creek fans? Lets go guys! Lol[eek!!]

jaceyhomen

08-18-2002, 05:40 PM

Well, Lee.....pointing out board etiquette to you is hardly being bloodthirsty but I do plead guilty to being a rabid fan

But, of course, this site is a fan site! Criticism offered in a civil way and not calling people fools is welcomed. You might work on your sense of humor, too. It softens criticism.

Jacey

littlevenice143

08-18-2002, 06:04 PM

Yeah I understand where you are coming from nitejule . . . :) I still think everyone is handling this very very maturely. . .when you compare it to other boards of course. . .this is crazy for this board which I guess you could say is a good thing.

cherubino

08-18-2002, 06:36 PM

Originally posted by NCFreak
...since when has the 'Creek referred to themselves as bluegrass?

Not to make tensions any worse here, but I seem to recall Chris stating on TV that he was affraid that NC wouldn't be accepted [by the country music establishment?] because they were a little bluegrass band. I'm fairly certain that NC considered themselves a bluegrass band at one time. There should be no doubt that up until This Side, NC relied heavily on it's bluegrass roots -- even if their influences are many.

BTW, I hear lots Glen Phillips' influence on This Side, and I'm perfectly fine with that, though I do miss some of the more catchy melodies and riffs of the first CD. Overall, I'm slightly dissapointed. There are quite a few songs that I keep asking myself why did they do that? or, that part doesn't sound like it belongs! That said, it does get better with every listen.

calamityjaneND

08-18-2002, 06:59 PM

i guess that everyone has their own opinions about the new CD... i guess i had no preset expectations about how it would sound, therefore i was not unhappy with what was on it...

i think that perhaps people do need to realize that no matter how we feel about the CD, what is most important is that Sean, Sara and Chris all love what they have done and all we can do is try to love and appreciate whatever they put out there for us!!! WE LOVE NICKEL CREEK!!!

well... at least i do!!![noise]

jaceyhomen

08-18-2002, 07:25 PM

Hi Cherubino

Welcome. Yes, I think you're right...originally, NC did consider themselves a little bluegrass band but they realized, as we do now, that they had to expand, reach out, broaden their appeal.
And this is good because it's them and what they want to do.

And yes, the more you listen to This Side the more it sneaks into your brain and you will find yourself liking it more, understanding the lyrics better, etc. It's quite an adventure!

Jacey

matt the fiddler

08-18-2002, 07:27 PM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by cherubino

he was affraid that NC wouldn't be accepted [by the country music establishment?] because they were a little bluegrass band. I'm fairly certain that NC considered themselves a bluegrass band at one time.

way back when...... they did mainly bluegrass, and they started in bluegrass..... but even on their last cd, i heard a lot of hard core bluegrassers that were frustrated, because that was pretty far away from bill monroe.

ther was an interview last month..where chris said that as they have decided to not be only bluegrass- he didn't like people to call themselves a bluegrass band anymore- because he realises that it does offend those who are into pure bluegrass- but he also said there is more bluegrass to their sound than anything else.....

has anyone here heard the wayfaring strangers [shifting sands of time] cd by matt glaser? it is interesting and one of my favorite cds to listen to!!!!!- he is doing more to change bluegrass than creek is almost.. he takes old bill monroe tunes, and blends them with jazz, klezmer and a bunch of other stuff- a very cool sound! but as ralph stanley said about matt's recording of man of constant sorrow..[which was being worked on before the o brother soundtrack was released]... i don't think those tunes go to that type of music
lol

NCFan4Ever

08-19-2002, 08:54 AM

Didn't Chris once say that they didn't really like to refer to themselves as bluegrass out of respect for the really traditional bluegrass artists that were offended when NC was called bluegrass? I for one don't think that there is any one category that can really define Nickel Creek. They are such a mixture of so many different kinds of music!

jonraz

08-19-2002, 06:00 PM

Hey guys!! Its been a long time since I sent a post. No internet access will do that to you!!![bang] I'm listening to This Side right now. Here is my spin on the whole thing. The first track, Smoothie Song, had me dashboard drumming in my car.
The second song, Spit On a Stranger, threw me for a loop when I heard the electric guitar solo, and the background vocals, but I later found out that its a cover of an Alt song by Pavement (never heard of them before). The third song, Speak (quickly becoming my favorite, and I think they could have also titled it, Groove), from the opening measure, made me nearly melt. Being a guitar player, I tend to side towards the guitar driven songs more. The chord progression is so creative, and the vocals when Chris comes in on the chorus make you feel like you are riding on a cloud. I love the vocal emphasis on this new cd. Especially on #4, Hanging By a Thread, which did anyone else notice, but was written by 2 very very gifted songwriters in the christian/country/pop world, Gordon Kennedy, and Wayne Kirkpatrick. They both co-wrote Change the World by E. Clapton, Kennedy wrote on of my other favorite songs, You Move Me by Susan Ashton, and Kirkpatrick wrote the recently new Garth tune, Wrapped Up In You. Just a little music writers history for all of you. On #5, Should've Known Better, which I call Bluesy, the strings did exactly what Chris said in an interview would do, which was made me quiver. Something very different for them. #6, This Side is probably my second favorite. I had heard it live a couple of times, but didn't really get it until I could really here how the whole thing has been put together. Another thing I really like about the album is the different layering of harmonies and melodies. I'm sorry if my musical jargon is over some of your heads, but its hard not to notice these things when you are a musician, and occasionally sing. I think thats what really draws me to NC is their originality in music, and knowing that it would take me months and years of practice to be able to play the way they do. As for the rest of the CD, some of the songs I have heard in concert before and enjoyed. My other favorite is Beauty and the Mess. The melody is very catchy on the chorus. The other songs are beginning to grow on me also; House Carpenter, Sabra Girl, which kind of reminds me for some reason of an Ella vocal styling and control, and Young.
So, to sum it all up, I do agree that you do have to let this one grow on you a bit. Some you may love, and some you may not, but give it time, and maybe we should all attempt to play like them. I've been playing guitar for 6 years now, and some of the songs, I still can't figure out the chord changes. Thanks for listening, and MandoBob, thanks for the concert on CD. I'm surprised I haven't broken all of my CD players with it yet.

Raz

I Thes. 5:24 Faithful is He who calleth you, who also will do it

nitejule

08-19-2002, 07:30 PM

just wanted to say you should post more often you are a pretty bright person :p but i agree that is has to grow on some people (i just flat out loved it) but i totally know where you are coming from the musicians perspective!!!!

NickelCreekFan1

08-20-2002, 07:48 AM

After a summer of no internet, and a ton of excitement in anticipation to the new album, i couldnt wait to come back to these boards. I got the cd the first day it came out, and listened to it over a thousand times already. I did the unexplainable, i fell even more in love with the band. This amazingly incredible group of young musicians who stride in not only trying to please their listeners, but ultamitly play this music to please themselves and God. They do what they do best because they love what they do.
Now I've finally gotten the chance to return to this amazing community of people that love the same people that i do and enjoy listening to this group as much as i do, but i am presented with this thread.
Now i understand that not everyone like this album, for lots of different reasons, mainly that it is just a different sound. Well yes, they are a young band that loves to evolve, and that i exactly what they did. They are pleased with their new sound, and i am as well.
This thread disappointed me. I signed onto this fan site to hear praise, and yes, an occasional disagreement. To hear the cd called crap is immature, its a word i only associate with my 8 year old cousin. A good arguement has reasoning behind it.
Now i dont want to rekinder an old flame so to speak, just state my thoughts. Like every other band in the music business, every new cd not only brings in new fans, but loses some old ones as well.
thanks for listening

NCFan4Ever

08-20-2002, 01:34 PM

Originally posted by NickelCreekFan1
I did the unexplainable, i fell even more in love with the band.

Great statement! I feel exactly the way you do!

nitejule

08-20-2002, 01:40 PM

YUP YUP!!! how could ya not !!

kokomo88

08-20-2002, 02:32 PM

just skip this post, I accidentally unsubscribed, and I didn't want to miss anything....LOL

bekka

08-20-2002, 03:13 PM

now you know im hopelessly biased, i love the record, but really remember..

to each his own, though sometimes its hard to read that stuff, BUT a lot of boards have some pretty fierce debates over the artists material! though usually not overly abrasive stuff, if someones upsetting you can usually excuse them from the thread..

but imagine all of us years down the road debating over which album we think is the best of theirs! hee hee! i can just see me at fifty shaking my fist at the monitor replete with bifocals in my robe and slippers arguing with christy or mel over whether seven wonders beat out green and gray or something silly! (it IS nice though because through these boards you find good friends to grow old with!)

so to make a short story long, sometimes a little debate is good but it should always be done with a little love!

i know im quite fond of several of you! and i hope we still have this dialog going years from now, the board being a nice comfortable fit..

okay. enough yapping!

much love to all of you! ;)
bekka

(and HURRY UP october!!!)

nitejule

08-20-2002, 04:12 PM

yuppers bekka!! i can see you and me now, when we are 50 and trying to meet to go to a show together!! hahaha

cherubino

08-20-2002, 10:48 PM

Originally posted by matt the fiddler

has anyone here heard the wayfaring strangers [shifting sands of time] cd by matt glaser? it is interesting and one of my favorite cds to listen to!!!!!- he is doing more to change bluegrass than creek is almost.. he takes old bill monroe tunes, and blends them with jazz, klezmer and a bunch of other stuff

I'll have to check it out! That's an interesting mix... klezmer and bluegrass. My Rabbi played banjo in his youth, which is an unusual instrument for a Jewish kid in So. California. I'd love to hear the reverse... Jewish songs (like the ones we sing on the Sabbath) played in a bluegrass style. G-d would that be wonderful!

Sorry for going off topic!

GG

matt the fiddler

08-21-2002, 12:09 AM

there is a fair share of mixing gogin on on the cd- one my favorites for klezmer is the song if i were a june apple- definatly some klezmer influence in that one... yet 20 other things as well....

matt

Thilefan

08-21-2002, 12:19 AM

Dear Freinds, and fellow fans,

<Katykind, while Lee never expalined to you what it was he liked about the old album, I hope this will be more informative>.

(: While it may seem that most everything that could be said about this topic has already been said, I believe there are things that still waiting, and yearning to be said. So far, we have had many posts bashing someone becuase of his post (not that I like his post at all, I found all his posts to be very distasteful, rude, poorly written, and unethical). I now hope to describe to the best of my ability <Without out offending anyone> why this album is not quite the quality of the last (My opinion only...oh yeah...and Hitler's...).

The Original NC ablum had two things This Side didn't.

1.) It failed to attract the many fans that loved NC creek because of the band's TRUE, INSPRING, and AMAZING, instrumental qualities. Don't get me wrong, I like the Smoothie Song, it is very good. However, it doesn't provide what many musicians (Particularily mandolin players) really look for in a cd...new material to learn in order to inspire their own writings; to broaden a musicans musical horizon, to set new higher goals for an individual's playing ability, increase creativity in a person's composition, and to, overall, become better musicians.

In creating an album with a more Popular sound, Nickel Creek has gained more of a fan base from ALL generes of music. I suppose this scares me some...basically, NC is in the process chaging fan-bases. It is simply trying to accomadate new types of fans... I.E. Encourage more people to listen. (I know this is going to be a heated arguement, so, I will try to make everthing at least appear logical, even if you disagree). I have ultimate and complete admiration and respect for Nickel Creek as a band, and as people...however, this brings me to my next point...

2.) Another thing that I think bothers me, is the escape from their original roots...and no, I am not talking about their bluegrass roots...they are still in place <Believe it or not>. What roots am I talking about? I'm talking about their Christian roots. As was pointed out to me by a freind, on previous albums, Nickel Creek (and on Chris' older solo albums) allways gave thanks to God for their incredible gifts! This was, to me, unheard of! And, truthfully, I believe God has given them this success in order that they might bring glory to his name. Just so you know, I am not trying to CRAM Christianity down any of you, I am simply pointing this out as a general observation/opinion; I don't expect any of you to agree. On the newest album, it appears as if they have abondanded that base.

3.) Lastly, I believe one of the main problems old fans have with the new cd is that... NC set impossibly HIGH standards of musical quality with the relase of thier first album...I am still in shock. With the release of the next album, the original fans are kind of confused...Why did they change their sound? They were doing so good. I do share this belief, however, I also understand why they changed. As a musician, I know the need for change. How does the saying go? Without change, nothing can improve. Or, something like that. I do not think change is a bad thing, I simply wish they would have kept it closer to the original style. What can I say? Nickel Creek ROCKS! <and that will never chage>...they will simply rock in a differen't way I suppose.

My Sincere appologies to those I offend by this post,
Robin

David Royko

08-21-2002, 10:45 AM

Let me second Matt's praise for the Wayfaring Strangers album--it is extraordinary. If interested, here are links to two reviews I wrote of the disc (one short, one long) for the Chgo Trib and Bluegrass Unlimited:

Trib:
http://www.geocities.com/davidroyko/BestOf01.html

Bluegrass Unlimited:
http://www.bluegrassmusic.com/reviews/wayfaring_strangers.htm

I put the disc at #2 for my Trib Top 10 list for last year. Would've certainly been #1 if it hadn't been for that Thile guy...

Dave Royko
http://www.geocities.com/davidroyko/mypage.html

matt the fiddler

08-21-2002, 12:08 PM

thilefan- first of all, thank you for the respectfull tone in your critisim. you do have a lot of very valid points that you have thought about a lot, that are worth looking in to- right now, i am only going to comment about point #2 that you brought up- how it seems that they may have abonded their christian roots with this new cd.
i am not saying i fully understand this move to not really talk about god a whole lot in lyrics [i noticed it as well]- other than they made artistic choices- as they would say, they have never been a contempory christian band [you have heard how much they are against consept albums] i would say however that just because they didn't not mention it on this cd, or make it a focus point on this cd- dosn't mean that they abonded it- [i don't think any of the songs goes against their beliefs that they have expressed earlier] when they are right now, the issues that they are dealing with intern makes these songs- that is what came out in the lyrics....

however, even though it is not present strongly in this project, i believe that they have far from abonded the christian roots and beliefs that are the very core of who they are- one area is that they have a humbleness around them- i was talking to chip last week, and we talked about how when you go and talk to chris he isn't humble in the fact that he generall talkes about how bad he is- [again in general] he dons't even talk about himself- he is always looking away form himself to others- this is one of several areas and examples like this that they make it clear by their actions that they haven't abonded it- remember that who they are goes much deeper than the music that they sing and there are parts to them and their faith that is more important than the music that they sing, and songs that they write.....- as the psalmst says- even if i sing a the most beautiful song, yet have not love- it is but the noise of a loud gong....

matt

warlord

08-21-2002, 01:50 PM

Thilefan,

Having followed NC's touring for a few years, I'm very surprised at how many people comment about the content of the album. Nickel Creek has been performing most of the songs on This Side for quite a while, so it has most certainly been the existing fan base that have enjoyed the songs before they were recorded for this album.

Matt,

I think it goes even further than that.. I think they NC has matured to the point where they don't need to explicitly acknowledge their faith in order to keep it and maintain it. In other words, they can believe it and live by it without pointing it out to others.

Each creekster is always giving praise to the others. Chris will talk about how well Sara and Sean were, and how they gave him some cool ideas. They will all expound upon their family and the love they have for each other. They are wonderful to friends, family, and fans while on the road. They are living the philosophy -- I certainly don't see them having given it up.

Then again, NC is more than a bunch of Compact Disks, Singles, and Music Videos to me -- they are three wonderfully talented young adults. IMHO their concerts are the real example of their talent.

-derek

kokomo88

08-21-2002, 04:16 PM

i read somewhere that Seven Wonders is a song about faith, I don't know how it is, but I read it in a journal entry or something.... but I was too lazy to read the whole thing, so forgive me if this has nothing to do with the thread......

NCFreak

08-21-2002, 05:16 PM

Thilefan...good write-up. I disagree, but very well done!! Bravo!!

Why I disagree...

What confuses me about what so many are saying is that EVERY time I listen to This Side, I continually hear things that resemble and/or remind me of the first album. It's definitely different, but it's not a 180. I don't think they've lost a thing. For me, this is an album that remarkably shows how much musical growth they've had these past 2 years.

katiekind

08-21-2002, 05:26 PM

And it's really actually three years for them--if you consider they were finishing up the recording in the summer of 1999.

NCFreak

08-21-2002, 05:32 PM

I wondered about that. Thanks, K-T!!

Though...when did they finish recorded This Side? If it was sometime last year, then it would still be 2 years. :D

NCFan4Ever

08-21-2002, 05:37 PM

Originally posted by Thilefan

My Sincere appologies to those I offend by this post,
Robin

Your post didn't offend anyone (well, at least not me.) You want to know why? Because you didn't call anyone names or make rude comments. You stated your opinion intelligently. You backed up your arguements. We have no right to get mad just because you like the first album better than the second one; that's absurd!

Thanks for your good post, even if I don't agree!

NCFan4Ever

08-21-2002, 05:40 PM

Sorry to double post but I forgot something:

BEKKA AND CHRISTY: Ha Ha! Yes we will still be on here when we're all ninety! In fact, we'll probably be here after all the members of nickel creek are retired! Lol!

NCFan4Ever

08-21-2002, 05:41 PM

jonraz

08-22-2002, 02:09 PM

Nitejule,

Thanks for the encouraging words. Its nice to know someone is out there reading what you have to say. Thanks for listening.

Raz

:)

nitejule

08-22-2002, 02:19 PM

no problem :) :D

cherubino

08-23-2002, 12:52 AM

Originally posted by Thilefan
Another thing that I think bothers me, is the escape from their original roots...and no, I am not talking about their bluegrass roots...they are still in place <Believe it or not>. What roots am I talking about? I'm talking about their Christian roots <cut> I believe God has given them this success in order that they might bring glory to his name <cut> On the newest album, it appears as if they have abondanded that base.

Thilefan, you made some excellent points, but I do disagree with you on your second...

I believe that a person does not need to publicly show his or her faith in order to be observant. True love of God is deeply personal, and comes from within. The lack of a public statement of appreciation should not be interpreted as straying away from their religious beliefs. As it has already been pointed out, Nickel Creek has never marketed itself a Christian band. Such marketing tactics are exclusionary, and I am thankful that they did not find it necessary to call themselves a Christian band, as this would have sent a negative signal to those that are not Christian to stay away.

When I heard the first Nickel Creek album, I was filled with joy. Not because I was an avid fan of bluegrass, but because when I listened to their music, fully understanding just how challenging it is to play instruments at that level (and at such a young age), I realized that I was hearing something very special, by incredibly blessed individuals. I didn't need liner notes to understand that NC brought glory to his name. It was understood from the moment I played the first track. True, This Side does not seem as technically intricate as the first album, but then, it doesn't have to be. They have already established themselves as outstanding musicians. If the first NC album is not enough evidence, the solo albums by Chris and Sean should eliminate any doubts. Again, I don't think that this has anything to do with a distancing from their religious beliefs. Instead, it's an artistic expression of where they are -- at this point in their lives.

In fact, I reject the notion that success has anything to do with bringing glory to God's name. Just look how many successful people are disrespectful to God and violate his commandments. He doesn’t need NC bring glory to his name. He is the lord, our God... And that's glorious enough!

Anyway, I get off the soapbox now and go on my way! Apologies in advance if I have offended anyone reading this.

GG

moonstargirl675

08-25-2002, 08:54 PM

okay, if this cd is so bad lee, why did it sell so many copies in it's first week, why were there so many fans on mwl, and why is the song This Side number 18 on it's first week on the country billboard chart? explain to me where the heck you are coming from when you say nc will be flipping burgers cause their career is over?[eek!!]
and if you were a true NC fan, you wouldn't diss their cd

Only the Curious have something to find:o

nitejule

08-25-2002, 09:22 PM

heee heee heee
*now thats the way to vent* [evil eye] [lolol] [nod] :-))

NCFreak

08-25-2002, 11:38 PM

Ths thread is dead. Moonstargirl...go here: Lee Eats Crow (http://www.nickelcreek.info/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=859)

sabra_girl

09-01-2002, 10:40 PM

I have to admit, when I was listening to the Track a Day songs, I was very afraid. I'm a very very big fan of their first cd, and was a little disappointed in what I was hearing. However, I admire their talent, and bought the new cd in faith.

The first time through I was still undecided, but now, 50 listens later, I love it! Each time I hear it, I notice something new.

To any fans who have made up their minds to hate it, I beg you, give it another chance! The awesome, mind-blowing talent is still there!

sarah

09-02-2002, 09:13 AM

I think I agree somewhat to Thilefan. If anyone has heard songs from 1998 a lot of the songs were Christian. Some of the tiles are... Alive, One Man's Horizon, His Grace, Tendencies Human, True Stories, Make Me Your Instrument.

Aspenstar

09-02-2002, 10:35 AM

Originally posted by Lee32
i love nc.....but this cd is crap.Did the dave matthews band....throw one of there old rejected cd s away????? im so disapointed. they have lost a fan.........because they couldnt stay true to there form. what a joke.....

You don't say how old you are, but I am close to 50 and have been listening to music for many years following many artists over their history (humm, how about the Beatles, Stones, James Taylor, to name a few that have 'CHANGED' over time. Seems NO artist(s) ever stay true to form whatever THAT means. I wasn't overwhelme with Ths Side when I first heard it, but now that I have seen them in concert and watched their LIVE rendition of almost every song on this CD, I am totally ENJOYING it.
If you want to dump NC because you got your musical ears twisted by one CD, then probably better off that you do....
find someone that will stay true to form and BTW, good luck with that.
[bang] ARGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH